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	<title>Comments on: Atheist Group Sues Lakeland: Initial Analysis of the Lawsuit</title>
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	<description>Commentary from Polk County, Florida attorney Kemp Brinson</description>
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		<title>By: Kemp Brinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kemp Brinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Register</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Register</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir, I am no means a attorney gifted in the practice of Law! I am not also a really Great Catholic! But a Catholic by my parents Choosing. I am trying to understand the benality of this. These people have nothing better to do? From the way I see it, We have Polk County with a Mayor, Be it a Mayor people like or not. Your Choosing. I may be wrong but the law surrounding government about religion has it purpose. I really do not see that in this case. Each person has a right to believe in a religion or not believe. The point here is if he so chooses. Lakeland by no means forces religion on anyone! The point is Force! Also reverse the plate. The Atheist&#039;s are forcing there point of view on the religious. They have a right to do that. We all are allowed Free Speech. But it seems that Atheists want a public apology and retribution from a Country that has &quot;In God we Trust&quot; Printed on the money we spend. So therefore if they are up in arms about the religious matter. Let them win. But Pay them in Something that Does not have &quot;In God we Trust&quot; On it. No law abiding Atheist would want that on their conscience. Downplaying a meeting because of a simple prayer and then accepting a currency that has religious conotations to it. Hmmmm!  Let them Win. Pay them in wheat and have a moment of silence for those that do Pray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, I am no means a attorney gifted in the practice of Law! I am not also a really Great Catholic! But a Catholic by my parents Choosing. I am trying to understand the benality of this. These people have nothing better to do? From the way I see it, We have Polk County with a Mayor, Be it a Mayor people like or not. Your Choosing. I may be wrong but the law surrounding government about religion has it purpose. I really do not see that in this case. Each person has a right to believe in a religion or not believe. The point here is if he so chooses. Lakeland by no means forces religion on anyone! The point is Force! Also reverse the plate. The Atheist&#8217;s are forcing there point of view on the religious. They have a right to do that. We all are allowed Free Speech. But it seems that Atheists want a public apology and retribution from a Country that has &#8220;In God we Trust&#8221; Printed on the money we spend. So therefore if they are up in arms about the religious matter. Let them win. But Pay them in Something that Does not have &#8220;In God we Trust&#8221; On it. No law abiding Atheist would want that on their conscience. Downplaying a meeting because of a simple prayer and then accepting a currency that has religious conotations to it. Hmmmm!  Let them Win. Pay them in wheat and have a moment of silence for those that do Pray!</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kemp, well done, again.

Thanks for your interest in the issue and your input is helpful.

It is sad that it is not intuitively obvious to many that prayers at governmental functions are problematic. No matter what the current state of constitutional law is, it bothers me that some don&#039;t see the unfairness of it, nevermind the uselessness of it. I would love to see the video of a public official who claimed a divine inspiration for their views on taxes, zoning, or school expenditures and challenged us to refute a god&#039;s will. Do our local boards and commissions really expect us to think their decisions are divinely sanctioned because they said a prayer for guidance before meetings? 

These prayers are clearly against the spirit of the Constitution as Madison himself stated when writing about prayers in Congress. The fact that pious individuals can ignore that and make a tradition out of the exclusion of others does not give it weight. This is not a matter of Christians being persecuted as some might (and love to) perceive it. No doubt local Christians would cringe at the thought of Allah being invoked for guidance on the wisdom of street construction. Does anyone see the nonsense...and the hypocrisy in that objection?

Sadly, this lawsuit needs to be brought. Rational people, whether called atheists, skeptics, freethinkers, or whatever, just can&#039;t stay quiet when the status quo is a governmental genuflection to what we see as nonsense. Compare it to the situation where you are the only one in Salem who doesn&#039;t believe in witchcraft and the rest of the town is incensed that you are challenging their attempts to save themselves from witches and appease some god by praying at civil meetings...or burning witches. What do you do? Just wait until the prayers are over before you enter the meeting...and thereby label yourself as the enemy of all they believe? Do you try to inject some sanity in the proceedings? Everyone knows that beating a drum and sacrificing a lamb works better for divine guidance, don&#039;t they? Come to think of it, I don&#039;t know why the sun still comes up after the Mayans stopped sacrificing enemy warriors on the alter. To be sure, I am glad that Polk county is not a majority of Mayans of the previous mindset. This little rant would be particularly annoying in that case, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kemp, well done, again.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest in the issue and your input is helpful.</p>
<p>It is sad that it is not intuitively obvious to many that prayers at governmental functions are problematic. No matter what the current state of constitutional law is, it bothers me that some don&#8217;t see the unfairness of it, nevermind the uselessness of it. I would love to see the video of a public official who claimed a divine inspiration for their views on taxes, zoning, or school expenditures and challenged us to refute a god&#8217;s will. Do our local boards and commissions really expect us to think their decisions are divinely sanctioned because they said a prayer for guidance before meetings? </p>
<p>These prayers are clearly against the spirit of the Constitution as Madison himself stated when writing about prayers in Congress. The fact that pious individuals can ignore that and make a tradition out of the exclusion of others does not give it weight. This is not a matter of Christians being persecuted as some might (and love to) perceive it. No doubt local Christians would cringe at the thought of Allah being invoked for guidance on the wisdom of street construction. Does anyone see the nonsense&#8230;and the hypocrisy in that objection?</p>
<p>Sadly, this lawsuit needs to be brought. Rational people, whether called atheists, skeptics, freethinkers, or whatever, just can&#8217;t stay quiet when the status quo is a governmental genuflection to what we see as nonsense. Compare it to the situation where you are the only one in Salem who doesn&#8217;t believe in witchcraft and the rest of the town is incensed that you are challenging their attempts to save themselves from witches and appease some god by praying at civil meetings&#8230;or burning witches. What do you do? Just wait until the prayers are over before you enter the meeting&#8230;and thereby label yourself as the enemy of all they believe? Do you try to inject some sanity in the proceedings? Everyone knows that beating a drum and sacrificing a lamb works better for divine guidance, don&#8217;t they? Come to think of it, I don&#8217;t know why the sun still comes up after the Mayans stopped sacrificing enemy warriors on the alter. To be sure, I am glad that Polk county is not a majority of Mayans of the previous mindset. This little rant would be particularly annoying in that case, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: EllenBeth Wachs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EllenBeth Wachs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for the review. I won&#039;t be making any substantive remarks on your analysis. The only comment I did want to make was to note that the actual verified complaint that was filed with the court had no numbering errors nor any typos. The draft that was posted on our website will be replaced with the final verified complaint including Mr. Husby&#039;s signature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for the review. I won&#8217;t be making any substantive remarks on your analysis. The only comment I did want to make was to note that the actual verified complaint that was filed with the court had no numbering errors nor any typos. The draft that was posted on our website will be replaced with the final verified complaint including Mr. Husby&#8217;s signature.</p>
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